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09.13.2011 | 4:37 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

This is the official discussion thread for Fitch vs. Hendricks. Let's see what you've got.

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wolfmanhowl
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01.01.2012 | 7:34 PM ET

Prediction: correct Hendricks   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  


i think we wil see fitch only on ufc fight nights for his next couple of fights.
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01.02.2012 | 8:35 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

He may have even given Dana the excuse he was looking for to put him the under card as well... it's a shame.

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01.02.2012 | 9:31 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

It may feel unfair how Dana will threat fitch but do you really think he has a chance at GSP after his BJ fight? 

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01.02.2012 | 12:12 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

One can feel good for Johny Hendricks without trashing Jon Fitch in the process.

Dana White was masterful in matching the #2 WW with an unranked fighter.  It was a no-win fight for Fitch.  Which is what it was supposed to be.  And by getting caught, Fitch is now screwed completely.  Which is what Dana White was hoping for.  Kudos to White for his masterful manipulating of the rankings.  Haven't seen this degree of crap since the heyday of Don King in boxing's bad old days.

Now, Mr. White can feed Fitch a steady stream of newcomers.  No more big names for Fitch.  All his fights will be no-win matches, whereby if he wins, he was supposed to win, and if he loses . . . 

Congrats, Mr. White.  You really understand the fine points of running an entertainment business.  

The big loser?  MMA's evolving into a legitimate sport.  Pity.  MMA deserves so much more.

But karma is a *****.  Dana lost his cash-cow in Brock Lesnar.  Boo hoo, Mr. White.  Couldn't happen to a nicer man.

* Edited at 01.02.2012, 12:13 PM ET *

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01.02.2012 | 1:37 PM ET

Prediction: correct Hendricks   wrong Decision  

I find your opinions on Fitch to be so misguided and biased, your fanaticism for Fitch is admirable.  He should send you a Christmas card every year, you're his biggest supporter.  I'm not knocking you, just your opinion.  I totally disagree.

There's no way that Hendricks did not deserve a fight with Fitch, and he proved it by starching him.  Jon Fitch was extremely overrated, and has now fallen to the middle of the pack which is where he really belongs.  He is not a world beater.

The only way your arguments would make sense is if Fitch had never gotten a title shot in the first place.  No one is screwing him, he lost a fight.  There are other guys at 170 that can and probably will beat him.  Should he not have to fight them as well?

* Edited at 01.02.2012, 1:41 PM ET *

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01.02.2012 | 1:44 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

Im going to stand up for Bill here; despite Fitch beating my favourite fighter TWICE (Alves). We all know that if GSP faced Fitch again it would have most likely been a one-sided fight much like the first. Regardless, he earnt the title shot by winning so many fights and I do agree Dana White would rather of not have given him a title shot even if he beat Hendricks. To all these people talking smack on Fitch, you were quick to move Hendricks into your top 10, even top 5, based on beating Fitch alone; obviously you know Fitch is talented.

Infact, @Jodybanman is a perfect example. You have Hendricks ranked 4TH! That shows how valuable a win over Fitch is too you, so stop being a hypocrite and saying Fitch is a 'middle' tier fight because youve shown you know he isnt. If anyones opinion is biased, its yours. When Serra knocked out GSP, he didnt become my number 1 welterweight. Hendricks wont overtake Fitch this time either, until he faces another top 10 and beats them.

* Edited at 01.02.2012, 1:47 PM ET *

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01.02.2012 | 1:49 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

@Russello My sentiments exactly

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01.02.2012 | 1:49 PM ET

Prediction: correct Hendricks   wrong Decision  

There is no doubt that Fitch is a top ten welterweight, closer to top five.  I just never really saw him as the second best guy in the division after St. Pierre beat him, and Hendricks proved me right.  Fitch had his shot against St. Pierre, and he had not done enough to earn another one and there were and are more deserving contenders.

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01.02.2012 | 7:52 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

@jody No problem.  I hear you.  You are entitled to your disagreements with me.  But I hold out for the opinion that Jon Fitch was ranked #2 in almost every single poll that is out there.  Not my opinion.  It was the absolute consensus, by whatever panelists made those polls.  He had only lost a single fight to GSP over 3 years ago.

To continue to assert that Johny Hendricks deserved to fight Fitch is your right.  But the opinion is wrong.  Just wrong.  He had done nothing to merit such a humongous, massive jump.  He had lost to Story, and beat Pierce and Brenneman.  So, where are the credentials to support your assertion??  Because I don't see them.  I say they aren't there.  They don't exist.  

Just as Matt Serra was completely undeserving of a title shot against GSP.  The fact that both Hendricks and Serra happened to get in a shot and win the fights does not in any way whatsoever change the fact that they had no credentials to earn a title shot.  Sports is chock full of upsets.  By the way, the UFC has admitted that Serra was undeserving of a title shot by changing their rules and not allowing the winners of TUF to get automatic title shots anymore.  What a moronic rule in the first place!!!

Most informed fans agree that contenders should be forced to earn their way up the ladder to face better and better opponents.  Some fans disagree.  They are entitled to be the minority dissent.

To bump Hendricks all the way to fourth rank based on a win over Fitch speaks volumes of how valuable you give a win over Fitch.  Your reasoning is upside down but that's fine.  Your opinion on Fitch is upside down.  You are rightside up!  Your opinion has every right to be upside down.  As are we all.  If I am upside down in my loyalty to Jon Fitch, so be it.  I'm loyal that way.

* Edited at 01.02.2012, 7:57 PM ET *

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01.02.2012 | 8:04 PM ET

Prediction: correct Hendricks   wrong Decision  

I knew Hendricks was gonna win. Fitch was #2 until Janary 1st 2012. This year he's got nowhere to go but down. We won't hear much from Jon Fitch this year. That's MY new year's predicition.

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01.02.2012 | 8:07 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

I see calling Fitch overrated as an insult to Johnny Hendricks and it devalues what he's accomplished. Hendricks is the first person in the UFC and the first person at 170 lbs to stop Jon Fitch. It was a huge upset and maybe Hendricks just caught Fitch but as of right now ranking wise Hendricks > Fitch. Hendricks was a stylistic nightmare for Fitch anyway, Johnny had the better wrestling credentials and more power standing. This goes back to what I was saying with how a dominating decision is sometimes better than a quick KO. With the quick KO there are always people who say he just got caught, you can't do that with a dominating decision.  

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01.02.2012 | 8:09 PM ET

Prediction: correct Hendricks   wrong Decision  

Fitch was the consensus second banana at 170, you are correct.  I had been ranking him 3rd or 4th, I think for quite some time.  I often disagree with the majority.  I'm not a Fitch fan, obviously, but I do have the utmost respect for his skills and for his accomplishments, and I've never stated that he isn't a good fighter.  He is a good fighter, one of the best at 170 to be sure.

I was excited about the Hendricks fight from day one, because I knew that stylistically he had a good chance to beat Fitch.  Fitch and some of his fans griped about Fitch having to lower himself to fighting a guy of Hendricks purportedly low stature, but not me.  I understand that the way the sport works is you don't always get to fight the guys you want due to scheduling conflicts, or even the whims of the matchmaker.  Fitch's trajectory wasn't so high that any of those complaints had any merit, in my opinion.  Fitch had the opportunity to fight a top guy in Penn and didn't win.  

The ladder goes both ways, you can't always be climbing over people, sometimes people climb over you.

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01.02.2012 | 8:50 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

Dana didn't want to give Fitch a title shot because he knew it would be a boring match. All of Fitch's and GSP's most recent wins have all came from decisions, but not even good ones at that. I was happy when Fitch got knocked out because I didn't have to watch a 15 min lay and prey match

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01.02.2012 | 8:58 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

Fitch, Alves and Shields all had their shot at the title lost and have had to face up and comers recently and have all lost..it has put some fresh faces and potential new title challengers in the division i'm not seeing the problem with these type of matchups 

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01.02.2012 | 9:50 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

Hendricks earned a fight with Fitch by going 6-1 in the UFC, against solid guys with 3 finishes. That whole "Dana hates Fitch" conspiracy theory was way off base and completely ridiculous.

Fitch didn't get another title shot because he didn't beat BJ. If you can't beat BJ, you can't beat GSP and it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Maybe Fitch will now find a new sense of urgency in his career and upgrade his gameplan to include the possibility of finishes.

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01.02.2012 | 11:56 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

@Bill Burgess How would you suggest Dana handle the UFC? All sports are part of the entertainment business, simple as that. The NFL doesn't have to worry about things like crappy games, because people will watch it in droves regardless of how good the matchup is. MMA doesn't have that luxury. There is a point where you can't deny somebody a title shot (Fitch didn't deserve one in the first place, but that's not the point) but if they're a boring fighter, you should put that off as long as possible. The UFC is a PPV run business, and nobody will buy PPV's if they don't feature exciting fights. Fitch is not an exciting fighter; at least not to the majority of viewers. 

Of course Dana doesn't want to see him getting fights against high profile people, exactly because he IS so good. Everybody knows that Fitch isn't good enough to beat GSP, but he may be good enough to beat potential challengers that the UFC is building to fight the champ. It's business, and until the UFC is in the same position as the other major sport organizations, they have to handle fighters like Fitch they way they have been.

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01.03.2012 | 1:23 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

@hybrid  For the most part, Dana White has done a good job.  Jon Fitch is not the common case.  When someone is hard to beat, you should try to match them up with those who might beat them.  Under normal circumstances, they means they get the upper tier guys.  If Fitch starts another win streak, he should deserve to get name fighters.

The UFC is a business.  It's business is fighting.  It should match name guys against other name guys they haven't fought yet.  As the rising stars start win streaks, give them the best of the other rising stars and then the name guys.

White does a very good job but with Fitch, he's an *******.  No one is perfect.  

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01.07.2012 | 6:05 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Fitch   wrong Decision  

@Bill Who was Dana to give to Fitch? Most top 10 fighters are valuable prospects and they would loose a lot of stock (in fans eyes also) if they lost a booring decision to Fitch. Giving Fitch a marketable top10 fighter after BJ draw make no sense.
Also by threating Fitch as a high level gatekeeper Dana can create contenders.

It is not ranking manipulation but running a business. Yes the UFC same as the movies, music, books, newspapers and a ton of others is a business and people tend to forget that. Fitch is much more valuable as a high level gatekeeper than a contender since he has high chance of beating exciting prospects in the top 10 and his GSP fight would not be marketable. I know it may not seem fair to Fitch but its not that Dana wanted to screw him over. Simply they have found the best role for him in their opinion. Unfortunately for someone to win someone else has to loose.

Also its not like Fitch can generate some hype about him. He doesnt even have to change his fighting style as Chael showed since his style is very similar with the differance being that he doesnt tap every time he even hears the word guillotine.

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